Comments on: The 350th Anniversary of the 1662 Book of Common Prayer: Jane Austen and the Prayer Book Part One http://austenonly.com/2012/08/28/the-350th-anniversary-of-the-1662-book-of-common-prayer-jane-austen-and-the-prayer-book-part-one/ Jane Austen's life, times and works explained and discussed Tue, 07 May 2013 13:39:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: jfwakefield http://austenonly.com/2012/08/28/the-350th-anniversary-of-the-1662-book-of-common-prayer-jane-austen-and-the-prayer-book-part-one/#comment-15011 Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:05:14 +0000 http://austenonly.com/?p=8808#comment-15011 Some people have strong objections to the service, but for me, it was just a matter of being eternally grateful to have survived with a healthy child :)

]]> By: Caitlin http://austenonly.com/2012/08/28/the-350th-anniversary-of-the-1662-book-of-common-prayer-jane-austen-and-the-prayer-book-part-one/#comment-15010 Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:47:15 +0000 http://austenonly.com/?p=8808#comment-15010 I’m so glad you did that – it seems very touching. I would have requested it too.

]]> By: cathyallen http://austenonly.com/2012/08/28/the-350th-anniversary-of-the-1662-book-of-common-prayer-jane-austen-and-the-prayer-book-part-one/#comment-15007 Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:14:33 +0000 http://austenonly.com/?p=8808#comment-15007 Aha! Looking forward to it, thanks!

]]> By: jfwakefield http://austenonly.com/2012/08/28/the-350th-anniversary-of-the-1662-book-of-common-prayer-jane-austen-and-the-prayer-book-part-one/#comment-15000 Thu, 30 Aug 2012 07:19:42 +0000 http://austenonly.com/?p=8808#comment-15000 No, in my case I can quite categorically state that due to the banal language used and some doctrinal matters, the new services have never found any favour with me. It’s not a matter of mere familiarity vs. novelty. At all.

But I do hope you don’t mind if we keep to an historical perspective from now on. I helped moderate a large website some years ago, and we had to limit any religious discussion, including historical, due to the problems that arose. Thank you for understanding.

]]> By: jfwakefield http://austenonly.com/2012/08/28/the-350th-anniversary-of-the-1662-book-of-common-prayer-jane-austen-and-the-prayer-book-part-one/#comment-14999 Thu, 30 Aug 2012 07:15:51 +0000 http://austenonly.com/?p=8808#comment-14999 Exactly, you are anticipating me! If you can wait a couple of days, then I hope to be able to help you a little.

]]> By: kfield2 http://austenonly.com/2012/08/28/the-350th-anniversary-of-the-1662-book-of-common-prayer-jane-austen-and-the-prayer-book-part-one/#comment-14994 Thu, 30 Aug 2012 02:20:23 +0000 http://austenonly.com/?p=8808#comment-14994 I, too, would be interested in knowing passages in Jane Austen’s novels where she has used The Book of Common Prayer. It would help me to see how much a part of her life her roots in the B of CP. BTW, is that offensive to refer to the book that way? I do not want to offend. I wonder if Rev Austen has any notes or letters left where we could see his ecclesiastical thoughts. They would perhaps give further information to help us understand Jane Austen in her family context. I have read Jane Austen and the Clergy and another book of that topic but the name is escaping me. Perhaps I’d better read them again!

Oh, sorry that I opened the discussion on today’s practices. I had no intention to start a different line of comments about today’s thoughts on the topic. I’m glad you reminded us to go back to Jane and her experiences. After all, that’s why we all come to you, right!

]]> By: kfield2 http://austenonly.com/2012/08/28/the-350th-anniversary-of-the-1662-book-of-common-prayer-jane-austen-and-the-prayer-book-part-one/#comment-14993 Thu, 30 Aug 2012 01:56:55 +0000 http://austenonly.com/?p=8808#comment-14993 Julie, I really appreciate your response to my queries. I’m wondering if the preference of the familiarity vs the other kinds of services you referred to is a matter of what you grow up with, in many cases. I hope to be able to attend an Anglican Church on my next trip to England. Our friends that we stay with are not church goers at all so it’s been awkward to do so up to this point.

Again, thanks for taking time to answer my questions and to give me your own perspective.

]]> By: cathyallen http://austenonly.com/2012/08/28/the-350th-anniversary-of-the-1662-book-of-common-prayer-jane-austen-and-the-prayer-book-part-one/#comment-14987 Wed, 29 Aug 2012 21:26:14 +0000 http://austenonly.com/?p=8808#comment-14987 This is very interesting, Julie. I’m particularly surprised about the Book of Common Prayer phrases that are a part of our language: “Speak now or forever hold your peace,” etc. I had no idea! Can you identify any specific phrases, like those, in any of Jane Austen’s novels? I guess what I mean is, some that are still in use, so even a 21st century Catholic American would recognize them? Or, perhaps that’s what your next posting in this series will be? If so, I’m looking forward to reading it with bated breath!

]]> By: jfwakefield http://austenonly.com/2012/08/28/the-350th-anniversary-of-the-1662-book-of-common-prayer-jane-austen-and-the-prayer-book-part-one/#comment-14977 Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:42:21 +0000 http://austenonly.com/?p=8808#comment-14977 In 1980 the Alternative Service Book was introduced to the Church of England, as an alternative to the Prayer Book. This, where communion was concerned, introduced Rite A and B, which were never traditional enough to satisfy me and further , it introduced elements which were never found in Prayer Book services. This has been superseded by the services in Common Worship, introduced in 2000. The 1928 Book of Common Prayer ,though used extensively in the past- when we married eons ago our priest refused to read the 1662 introduction and substituted the 1928 version instead- was never legally approved for use by the Anglican Church by Parliament,and was IIRC, rejected twice by the House of Commons.

However, interesting this all is, I can see that these comments if taken further might be potentially divisive,and in introducing this topic I admit I had failed to realise how much people would want to talk about their own experience. Comparing our religions has no place here really, and so from now on I’d like us all( and that includes me!) to speak only about Jane Austen and how she and her writings were influenced by her religion. Thank you all.

]]> By: jfwakefield http://austenonly.com/2012/08/28/the-350th-anniversary-of-the-1662-book-of-common-prayer-jane-austen-and-the-prayer-book-part-one/#comment-14976 Wed, 29 Aug 2012 13:20:38 +0000 http://austenonly.com/?p=8808#comment-14976 I think that was what I was trying to convey,Lyn :)

However,perhaps we ought to keep to thinking about Jane Austen and her experience now ;)

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