Yesterday we considered the Yorkshire Christmas Pie which would most certainly have been among the cold pies weighing down Mrs Musgrove’s festive trestle tables at Uppercross:
On one side was a table occupied by some chattering girls, cutting up silk and gold paper; and on the other were tressels and trays, bending under the weight of brawn and cold pies, where riotous boys were holding high revel; the whole completed by a roaring Christmas fire, which seemed determined to be heard in spite of all the noise of the others.
(Persuasion ,Chapter 14)
Today we are going to consider the other pies that would have made up the number on those groaning tables, Mince Pies,(see above ), familiar to all in the UK for they are still eaten today at Christmas.
However today they are rarely made with real meat: this was most definitely an option in Jane Austen’s day.
Here are some recipes from Mrs Rundell’s New System of Domestic Cookery (1819) which I have written about before:
And some from Duncan MacDonald’s book, The New London Family Cook Book (1809).
MacDonald is of interest to Austen devotees, for he was a tavern cook in London and, moreover, the cook to the Bedford Tavern in Covent Garden the haunt of John Thorpe and General Tilney in Northanger Abbey:
“Know him! There are few people much about town that I do not know. I have met him forever at the Bedford; and I knew his face again today the moment he came into the billiard–room. One of the best players we have, by the by; and we had a little touch together, though I was almost afraid of him at first: the odds were five to four against me; and, if I had not made one of the cleanest strokes that perhaps ever was made in this world — I took his ball exactly — but I could not make you understand it without a table; however, I did beat him. A very fine fellow; as rich as a Jew. I should like to dine with him; I dare say he gives famous dinners. But what do you think we have been talking of? You. Yes, by heavens! And the general thinks you the finest girl in Bath.”
(Northanger Abbey, Chapter 12)
Beef or Neats tongue(Ox tongue) were the favoured meats in this pie,which had its origins in the 15th century.
But, there were other ways of preparing them, both meat free : with lemon mincemeat, or mincemeat made without meat Macdonald and Mrs Rundell give recipes for this type of mincemeat. Below are MacDonald’s:
Mince pies were eaten throughout the 12 days of Christmas,and the cook would be busy in the days before the season began making them in advance.
As you can see from the recipes given here, they were normally made with a casing of shortcrust pastry. But in Yorkshire they used puff pastry,as we can see here in Mary Ellen Best’s illustration:
So, Frank Churchill living with his grand relatives in Yorkshire would have been used to eating these at Christmas and not the short crust kind more likely to be found in Mrs Musgrove’s great hall.





























































6 comments
December 17, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Cathy Allen
Ah, Julie,
I remember my Mom making what she called Mincemeat pies when I was a very little girl, but not when I got to be old enough to understand the concept. I remember very little about them except that they had a lattice work of pastry — cut with a pastry wheel — over the top of them, and they were brown inside. I’m guessing that they were what is called in your posting Mince Pies, without Meat. I read through the recipe to see if it jogged anything in my brain, but no…alas.
However, LOL, as I was reading the recipe, I saw the ingredient powdered sugar and I wondered how they made it in JA’s day, and my immediate thought was they would put the granulated sugar into the food processor… GULP…is my face red? Obviously they had powdered sugar, or it wouldn’t be in the recipe! LOL!
Wonderful Christmas-y stories; thanks dear lady,
CEA
December 17, 2009 at 5:35 pm
myenglishcountrygarden
Take one sugar loaf( conical in shape and very hard).With sugar nips break into pieces. Then pound in a mortar with a pestle till you have the required consistency of sugar.Much harder work then putting it inot a food processor( early 19th century translation=cookery maid!)
December 17, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Cathy Allen
I was all but certain you’d know the answer. A good example of why even people as poor as Mrs. and Miss Bates had a maid!
Thank you, CEA
December 17, 2009 at 6:34 pm
myenglishcountrygarden
Thats exactly right_ staff were the equivalent of consumer status points like dishwashers,hoovers etc etc.I’ll be coming back to this when I get into my Emma marathon to coincide with the PBS showing of Emma in January
December 22, 2009 at 11:33 am
imogen88
Yes, the importance of staff who knew what they were doing, and did it well, must have been paramount. Fantastic, Julie. We always have had mince pies here, and the tradition must have been brought by the British early migration, fascinating to learn the origins. I like them more now than when I was small, probably same for most children, maybe, not sure.
December 22, 2009 at 2:12 pm
myenglishcountrygarden
I should think they were brought over to Australia by the British. And as regards staff, I always think Marianne Dashwood do is so lucky to move into that well run machine Delaford, for Mrs Jennings describes it as such a well run place